Michael Kinsley and David Boaz are right. The best solution (and clearly, the libertarian one) to the gay marriage debate is to privatize the institution altogether.
Though this controversy is very emotional and hot-button, it really doesn't need to be that way. In the free society, gays would be allowed to get married, and I suspect that most people would come to accept their relationships as respectable and legitimate. But if cultural conservatives disagreed, no one would have the right to impose gay marriage on their churches and businesses.
This being said, I am not optimistic that many will take the privatize marriage position seriously. Sadly, we live in a society that believes centralized bureaucracies should shape our values rather than families, friends and religious groups. Thus, the great amount of resources and creative energy wasted on this "debate," will probably just continue to amass. Since "leave each other alone," is not considered a viable option, otherwise "chill" people think they must coerce others with their preferred values, lest they be coerced!
And as usual, we have the state to thank for this unnecessary division.
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Gay's are simply living a lie. They look down on heterosexauls. They are the freaks of nature who think that just because they are in control of the media, movie industry, arts and often rule in places of high society (this includes government agencies , the military establishment and government). Gays now think we who are not accepting the perverted and "Do what you want" satanic lifestyle (first ones to perform gay marriages were satanists)have turned up the heatand have turned it aroundand openly demand traditional Christians should be silenced all together because theyare the freaks, not gay's. People who defecate feces and sperm, andthose stick plastics into each others vagina's are the poor innocent victims.
Gay's , as I said, are a living lie. Unless they can clone a gay male of female, then they will always rely of heterosexuals . Only men and women can make babies. Put gay men and lesbians on sperate islands and they would die out.
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“Christians are simply living a lie. They look down on non-theists. They are the freaks of nature who think that just because they are in control of the media, movie industry, arts and often rule in places of high society (this includes, government agencies, the military establishment and government) that they can dumb down the rest of us. Christians now think we who are not accepting the perverted and "Do what you're told" christian lifestyle (first ones to support the wars and murder of millions of innocent Afgans & Iraqis were christians) have turned up the heat and have turned it around and openly demand that intelligent non-theists should be silenced all together because they are the satanists, not christians. People who are brainwashed into thinking that a cloud dwelling boogeyman cares about how people have sex are the ignorant ones.
Christian's , as I said, are a living lie. Unless they can clone a brain and learn how to use it then they will always rely on intellectuals to teach them how not to drool on themselves. Put christians on separate islands – PLEASE!”
I totally agree with this article...making gay marriage public policy is nothing more than injecting religion into law. Last time I checked this was a free country that promised a separation of church and state. I'm not gay but if you give these bible thumping wackos an inch, they'll take a mile and I'll be damned if any one is going to wrap my girlfriend in a burka.
Erm..what?
How are gay people living a lie? On what grounds? Surely the fact they have declared themselves 'gay' in such an anti-gay world shows that they are not the ones living the lie and in fact, are living the life they want regardless of other people's opinions.
You say they are the 'freaks of nature' which suggests that you agree that homosexuality is a nature occurence and not a nurturing issue. Therefore you should have an issue with nature and not people.
Gay people are not in control. Surely if gay people where in control they would push through change. It's the bankers that control everything but that's a seperate topic and discussion.
I believe that Christians have as much right as gays to state their opinion but NEITHER should have a direct influence in the others affairs. 'Defecating faeces, sperm and sticking plastic in vaginas'! is a generalised stereotype which holds no truth. Why don't you actually meet some and discover that all relationships are founded on love and not sexual perversion.
And finally, gay people do not rely on heterosexual men and women. As homosexuality is a natural occurence, it will always exist and just needs humanity to survive. The only way to destroy it would be to kill off humanity. If you were to put all the gays and lesbians on an island, they would still reproduce to survive and would create straight children.
BACK TO THE ARTICLE;
If our society was free, no one would have to justify their actions to anybody.
Que estúpido! Latent homosexual. A false Christian.
You are entitled to your opinion. If we didn't respect it we could not advocate free speech.
The key is the Libertarian stance: For any act to be a crime, there has to be a victim; someone has to get hurt.
Here, that stance simply allows people with different opinions - like yours, which indicate that you are are saddled with a slew of uptights that shut off any articulate creativity - but so be it. There is no victim, no one is damaged by your slant.
Go forth and multiply, Dudess.
I don't think "Traditional christians" should be silenced. I think they should just shut the hell up when they have nothing intelligent or useful to say. Like you Modern Day (or MSG) .
I'm still yet to meet an American christian with anything intelligent or useful to say yet the noise from them remains deafening.
Paul, Steve and susej:
I see where you're coming from. However, I don't see why it's necessary for there to be such a great divide within libertarianism over religious/cultural (i.e. personal) issues that have nothing to do with a philosophy of non-aggression.
I agree that there are some evil (i.e. unlibertarian) aspects to mainstream Christianity as well as The Bible. But I don't see the justification of throwing out a very fine baby, (in terms of a non-coercive method of regulating human behavior, not to mention the incredible amount of private charity done by religious groups) with the murky bathwater.
I personally consider myself a somewhat conservative ) libertarian, AND a proponent of gay marriage. But except insofar as free association and liberty are advanced, personal social views (such as one's personal distates for pot smoking) has no relevance to politics for the libertarian.
Hear, hear!
My wife and I, for several reasons filed a "Declaration of Holy Matrimony" in the miscellaneous book of a nearby county, we used a stamp and at least 2 witness signatures and had the stamp canceled at a post office to show the date. Our "state" no longer recognizes "common-law" marriages but if you look up the definition of Marriage License and license in general it is permission to do that which is otherwise illegal and intermarry between the races. If you wanted to marry a indian back in the 1800's you had to be licensed since that was intermarriage and the offspring was misogenated. I do not want my son to be considered a issuance of intermarriage and thus a licensed to exist creature of privilege with state granted "rights". My son(s) or daughters should have un-alienable rights not granted by the state.
Gays are declaring their relationship a illegal privilage when a license is applied for by the way. Read Black's Definitions.
There has always been, and there will always be, a percentage of any human population group that is homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, monosexual, asexual, etc., whether you like it or not. Therefore, homosexuality can be defined as as a subset of the spectrum of NORMAL HUMAN SEXUAL BEHAVIOR.To deny any of these subsets equal protection under the law because you feel icky is discrimination. Period.
Yep.
I have only one thing to say about this whole situation. All those here who pride themselves as holders of our founders principles but at the same time wish to continue this discord which has long delayed, denied, and deprived the rights of others, which now denies and deprives our gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender americans of their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness let this quote strike your malice ridden hearts into the dust that is sweapt away by the winds of freedom and justice.
"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -Patrick Henry March 23 1775
OK, so I'm not religious, at all. I think it's kind of a scam and a way to get people to act a certain way. Some people need that in their life, who am I to judge. Also, gay people are people too. Knowing that they are openly gay in a community that is generally not accepting and still warming up to the idea that there might possibly be so gay people out there is their personal choice. Due to the fact that they know this, they are opening themselves up for criticism. There are a lot of homosexuals that never openly express their sexuality. On the other hand, who does it really affect if gay people get legally married? How could two people you have no contact with whatsoever getting married have such an affect on you just because they are of the same sex? It can't. Plain and simple, if you don't know about the union, it can't affect you. And furthermore, you can not walk down a street and necessarily point out married people unless you know them personally to be married. So how could that bother you either?! I just can't grasp some people's anger at something that doesnt come close to affecting them. They just don't like the idea of things not being "the Christian way" but if I'm not mistaken, doesn't God and Jesus love everyone? and aren't all sins forgiven? So if you believe in this grown up Santa Claus way of life, practice what you preach, love everyone...not just those do-gooders...and in my experience, most people who follow the Christian way of life tend to be the biggest hypocrites and most cynical people out there so be careful who you judge because remember, God is judging you.
Well If Someone Wants To Be Gay Then Let Them Be If You have Something To Say Keep It To Yourself Being Gay Isnt Really Bad. Gay People Are Just Expressing How They Feel......Im Sure If They Werent Gay Theyd Be Able To Express Themselves. So Many People Are Biased Towards Straight Nd Gay People What Is The Deal With Being Gay Its Not Like Its Killing People So Wth Are People Concerned About The Way Others Live!!!!!!!!
Ok so why is it that when we talk about gay rights and gay marriage all people talk about is a relationship of the sexual nature, so what I'm getting from you responses is that all gays seem to be is a group that is absolutely crazed about sex, what about the relationship part? what because people are gay they don't communicate, or have feelings for one another. Christians argue that gays can't make children, well what about holy matromony and all that jazz so for christians a relationship is for sex, and reproduction. Wow you're perves.