The quantcast estimate for YAL's traffic and demographics is interesting. We are getting a very respectable 2.8 thousand distinct visitors a month, nearly half of whom are 34 or younger.
On the "diversity" front, though, we perhaps aren't doing well as we could. The worst disparity may be the nearly 2:1 gap between male and female viewers. Can we get more female hits by merely broadening our approach, or are there intractable forces at work here?
I don't know the answer to that question. But I do know that a proportional increase in libertarian women would do well to preserve the sanity of libertarian men. As it stands, the young female "itinerary" is mostly composed of Obama zombies, fully-blown Marxists, and "murder-all-Iranians" type chickenhawks. This undoubtedly needs to change.
Any ideas?











Most women/girls are more emotional than logical. The ones who think with their brain and not their heart are libertarians. But at the same time most libertarian women have a hard time being libertarian with ALL issues.
Yeah, it must be for some sexist, bullshit reason. I'll bet it could have nothing to do with the disrespect for women that I have seen in the comments on the bigger Libertarian blogs (i.e., Reason's Hit & Run and The Agitator) or the fact that women's issues that are 100% consistant with the LP's platform (i.e., abortion) are ignored, treated as if they are solely the domain of the Left and Democrats, or are argued about.
Oh, wait, I'm sorry, that must be my emotional, illogical brain speaking! Oh my, what's this about free markets? Is that, like, where I can go to get free shoes?
Why not try moving into the damn 21st century?
Most women/girls are more emotional than logical. The ones who think with their brain and not their heart are libertarians. But at the same time most libertarian women have a hard time being libertarian with ALL issues.
"But at the same time most libertarian women have a hard time being libertarian with ALL issues."
Most libertarians have a tough time being libertarian with ALL issues. Minarchism is popular.
I think the LRC article does a good job with the subject.
I think many of the libertarian women that read this site would take offense to being labeled as "more emotional than logical". A more scientific distinction would be to argue that the ratio exists because men are naturally more skilled at mathematics and science whereas women are more skilled in the disciplines of reading and writing. This gives men an advantage at comprehending and anaylzing the ramifications of policies.
Also, there is the culturally dominant view that women have suffered at the hands of male legal oppression over the centuries and that certain redistributive and gender-protectionist policies must be implemented to compensate for the years of male aggression. This isn't an isolated phenomenon for women, but also applies to racial, ethnic, religious, and seuxally-oriented minorities as well.
Regardless of why there are less women in the libertarian movement, it goes without saying that we need more. Not simply to boost our numbers, or to satisfy the lonely male population, but because I think women would make particualry strong political candidates. I think Sarah Palin is proof of that. With little experience, brain-power, or charisma, Palin has managed to inspire massive grassroots support and resources. If we can convert a few libertarian women today, and get them politically educated, they would probably be our best weapons.
I was speaking as a girl, but whatevs.
And I wasnt saying men are smarter. Im saying women are more likely to be the "motherly type" and view issues differently than men. And of course there are always exceptions to this...
Oh lol, didn't know that. All I know is that when I made that exact same argument to my female professor a year ago, I got chewed up for it. And I know you weren't implying that men are smarter, its just that in my experience women take offense to being told they are more emotional and less logical than men.
Seriously, dude? The paternalistic bullshit and refusal to treat women like your equals is exactly why you can't get women into the party.
As a radical feminist and a left-libertarian, shit like this makes it really hard for me to defend my political viewpoints to others and makes it damn near impossible to get anyone to see my side.
But don't worry, I'm glad us silly little womenfolk will be so happy that you're looking out for us! Gee golly gosh! Thanks so much!
"Oh lol, didn't know that. All I know is that when I made that exact same argument to my female professor a year ago, I got chewed up for it."
LOL. More indoctrination. I hate to hear stories of culturally marxist academia. It would be one thing to politely disagree, but professors these days will eat you up if you try to say that any two people are different than each other in any way.
The feminist movement went awry when it drifted from one of equal opportunity and individual rights to equal outcome and socialism. It isn't a matter of "smarts," or "superiority," but specialization and group proclivity. Collectively, men and women differ significantly in their strengths and weaknesses. (women are on average more emotionally intelligent and intuitive than men, for example)
The result of the egalitarian, denialist feminist indoctrination of the last few decades has been a generation of guys afraid to act like guys, and women who hate most of us for being fakers. Yes, some men need to get over their petty sexism and realize women are here to stay in the professional world. But the ultra-PC, anti-masculinity "feminism" that pervades academia today is just as ugly an ideology.
You clearly have not read a piece of feminist literature beyond one or two pieces of Marxist feminism.
Feminism and libertarianism are not mutually exclusive, and certainly not in their current forms. A Google search for "dykey lookin feminazi bitchez who love the gubment" doesn't count as research and you will never see female participation increase in the party as long as the sausage party acts like a mess of resentful manarchists.
When I have spoken to my friends (who are also women) about being a libertarian, they usually turn down the idea right away because they have some fixed view that all libertarians are pro-life. But like it was brought up earlier, you can still support a party but not agree with each little thing it has to say. Plus, I believe most libertarians are split on the abortion issue, am I right?
Alayna, there are probably more pro-choice libertarians than pro-life. You can definitely be pro-choice and be a libertarian. (though I am one of those pesky pro-lifers)
Abortion is one of a very few contentious issues in libertarianism, where it is unclear how individual rights and the NAP apply.
P.S. John M- thanks for your comments on so many YAL threads. It's appreciated!
LULZ.
That explains everything. Have fun buying guns and smack at Walmart all while trying to restrict my freedom. Because certainly, when you want things that could harm yourself or others, it's a matter of freedom, but when it's me, I'm just a baby killing whore.
Can't believe I am commenting on a libertarian blog but I have to tell Drunkenanarchist that she's fucking awesome.
"they have some fixed view that all libertarians are pro-life."
That's odd considering the stereotype of libertarians is that they are pro-choice, though libertarians fall on both sides of the issue (and in between).
Gee, Drunkenatheist, you want us to view women as individuals, but you think all pro-lifers are white trash hicks. You might want to remove that beam from your eye before you pull the mote out of ours.
No, Joshua, that was a commentary on libertarianism, in that we want legal guns, and legal drugs, purchasable at any national retailer. Would it be better if I had said Target or CVS? I would think that Walmart would be preferred given that so many libertarians cream their panties over the company....while forgetting, of course, that the corporation is the biggest "welfare queen" there is.
But thanks, I'm glad you could prove my point about sticking to stereotypes. Cause, you know, the whole pro-choice = liberal democrat = hating the rural poor isn't old meme or anything. No, it's not.
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Matt, I received your friend request on Facebook, but if you want to discuss anything with me, I'm not doing it on Facebook, where I have personal info listed. (It's truly /not/ a personal thing.) I attempted to message you through FB, but it is not allowing me to send you a message even though there is a "send a message" link for you.
If you could drop me an email at drunkenatheist@gmail.com, that would be great. I literally have the message copied & pasted, so if you email me when I'm online, I can have a message to you within 5 minutes.
Thanks!
Are you aware that it's possible to be pro-life and an anarchist? Being pro-life does not necessarily mean you support the state telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies.
Male libertarians have all too often adopted kneejerk antifeminist positions (and not out of "logic," either) -- and then they wonder why women feel alienated from libertarianism. Must be sumthin wrong with them wimmen.
Here's an essay I co-wrote on why libertarianism logically requires a fairly radically feminist commitment:
http://charleswjohnson.name/essays/libertarian-feminism
Dr. Long,
I'm a big admirer of you and your work, but I have to object to what you're saying on this thread, because you are accusing me of being something I am not.
How are any of my comments here "anti-feminist?" I suppose that it depends on the definition of the word, but if feminism means that "women are equal to men," and "women should be treated as individuals," then I think I defended such a point of view here. The only hateful comments I see were made by "drunken atheist," in assuming all people opposed to abortion were hicks that hated women.
I'm certainly an easy target due to my age and ambiguity, but it is my understanding that many of your prominent Mises Institute colleagues have expressed far more socially conservative views than I have, staunchly defending the "traditional family." You certainly wouldn't condemn them all as "sexists," would you?
If "cosmo" libertarians want me to kotow it isn't going to happen. I am not a sexist and didn't make sexist comments on this thread.
<i>you are accusing me of being something I am not</i>
What in my comments led you to believe I was accusing you of sexism? I was reacting primarily more to your commenters. As for what I mean by "antifeminism," see the link.
Professor Long,
I agree with the definition of feminism given by www.dictionary.com:
"
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men."
In the view of mainstream academicians, (I go to college so this is the context in which I express my views) if one does not adhere to the definition above, they are at least somewhat sexist. Since I do adhere to that definition, I reject the label "anti-feminist."
I'd be happy to read your pieces and email you regarding what I think. I think this exchange between us was a misunderstanding.
Thanks for your comments,
Matt
Matt,
Roderick Long is remarkably polite, especially with people he interacts with in person on a regular basis (for obvious, prudential reasons), and to a lesser extent with people associated with the Mises Institute and those who write articles and blogposts for Lew Rockwell's website. Roderick does occasionally call a person sexist, but usually he reserves this sort of name calling for people he is unlikely to ever interact with directly; celebrities, for instance. He outlined some reasons for hating the sin and not the sinner here:
Roderick has indeed condemned certain socially conservative views which defend traditional gender roles as sexist. The quote excerpted above comes from an exchange between him and Brad Edmonds, a columnist who wrote some socially conservative, sexist articles for Lew Rockwell's website. In the essay Roderick wrote with Charles Johnson (who you might know as Rad Geek) linked to above, he criticizes the views of one of his Mises Institute colleague, Hans-Hermann Hoppe:
Here he criticizes the views of another LRC columnist, Larry Beane, and here he criticizes Mr. Libertarian himself, Murray Rothbard.
I am not as polite as Roderick for a variety of reasons, some personal, some tactical. Sometimes goals are better achieved not by convincing flies with the honey of reason, but by shaming them with vinegar of social ostricism. One of the great moral advances of our society over the last few decades is that anti-black racial bigotry is no longer acceptable behavior among polite company. There are holdouts, but social pressure isolates and marginalizes them, and this is a good thing. In order to maintain this social pressure, people need to be reminded that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable, and one way to do that is by directly shunning them - that is, by calling bigotry for what it is directly, and sometimes calling a bigot a bigot. The wisdom of this tactic depends on the context: Whether or not someone with bigoted views is open to reason, whether the view is held intentionally and knowlingly, how far society has already advanced in excluding that view from polite discourse.
Most of the criticism you've received so far in this thread is from a marketing perspective: If you are curious why fewer women than men identify as libertarian, you might want to consider the possibility that many women are turned off by those who suggest that women are too emotional or not as logical as men, or insulted by those who suggest that women should become libertarian in order to preserve the sanity of libertarian men, or offended by the notion that you want to control their uteruses. Try to put yourself in a woman's shoes and ask yourself if you would be attracted to a political movement or ideology that insulted your intelligence as a man, implied that a good reason to join was not merely the inherent truth or justice of the cause but the utility you would provide to existing (possibly not sane?) members, and wanted to control what you did with your penis because every sperm is sacred.
Tough sell?
I never said that. It's funny, you sent me a Facebook friend request in which you claimed I "bashed you" and I've accused you of things you "reject wholeheartedly." Now, you claim that I said everyone opposed to abortion is a hick who hates women.
I said the following:
Nowhere in that quote is the knee-jerk, stereotypically liberal "OMG PEOPLE WHO LIKE GUNS ARE HICKS! YAYAYAYAYA!" Nowhere. I also never used the phrase "hate women" or any variation of it. (To be certain, I did a little Apple-F [ctrl-F, for all you PC users] and searched for "hate." Big shock, the only hits for "hate" are in other people's comments.)
If you seriously want to work out the issue here, then be honest, and don't do to me what you've accused me of doing. I haven't twisted your words or outright lied about you, yet you've accused me of claiming that all pro-lifers are hicks who hate women. It's simply not here, dude.
You collaberated and/or were complicit with a false, stereotypical, and defamatory story about me and other YALers on "eng feminists," accusing many of us of bigotry. (see below) I expect an apology on that if you want me to listen to your commentary (on this thread as well as other website) in the future. (though don't worry about a pending 'lawsuit,' as I'm a freakin' college kid, and as a libertarian, don't believe 'libel' is a crime)
http://eng.feministblogs.org/tag/matt-cockerill/
All that aside, it would be more constructive if we continued this exchange privately rather than in this thread, which is why I tried to add you as my Facebook friend. The rest of my "grievances" I plan on outlining to you privately in the email you posted.
FTR, I appreciate the fact that you have a libertarian blog on which you're not afraid to give your opinion. We need all the libertarians (left, right, feminist, evangelical, 'drunk atheist,' etc) we can get. But please try to be fairer to me and YAL in the future.
Matt
Considering the "meh" success of the Rand Paul Moneybomb, maybe we ought to just be worried about attracting, you know, "PEOPLE" to the liberty movement. Make an active effort to recruit, and the numbers should start looking more like the general national demo.
I do think the abortion issue is a problem, but nobody's worried about the Young Republicans or Heritage Foundation vanishing anytime soon, are they? Hell, CPAC was pretty 50-50 in terms of the overall male/female ratio, and it's not like that's a hotbed of feminism.
In short? Stop yer bellyaching and get to work!!!
In order to have women want to even stand next to you, much less join your party, then you need to quit stereotyping women and quit hanging out with people who do.
There's a reason we aren't at your party, and it doesn't have anything to do with loving Obama, embracing marxism, OR hating liberty.
I am a gun toting anarchist woman who believes, because logic dictates it, that liberty is the state in which human beings best prosper, in ALL respects. But I really don't like to hang out with men who get all emotional over the emotional state of women and then try to claim their opinions about women are based upon logic.
DEIF,
I make this response assuming that you are an original user and not a euphemism of DA:
Of course it has to do with what women believe. Very few women (along with men) believe in what you and I do.
I have never claimed that women are "less logical" than men on this thread. That is hearsay from a post reprinted by a Marxist "engfeminist" blog that bashed me and YAL for running this. I have claimed that it is a problem that libertarians are overwhelmingly male, because it severely limits our reach and creative outcomes. It also proves frusturating to men who actually care about getting to know women they can relate to in their intellectual passions. (rather than desiring to get to know a stereotypical woman who just follows the dude's every whim)
For the record, the percentage of women (30%+) in our readership is much higher than that of many libertarian websites. This is hardly a "crisis," but I raised the issue as a problem because I think we ought to do better.
If anyone wants to discuss this further, I'd recommend emailing me at MatthewCockerill@Creighton.edu, because I think that would be more constructive. Thanks so much for commenting!
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