Recently, a pro-life friend of mine witnessed a car displaying two bumper stickers. The first read “Donate Life, Become a Tissue/Organ Donor,” and the second read “Pro-Choice.” He commented that he was amused with what he saw as an apparent contradiction, leading a pro-choice friend to chime in, saying that there was no contradiction and that:
[It] makes complete sense. It's the difference between asking someone to do what you believe to be the right thing and the government intruding on your life to demand that you do what some people believe to be the right thing… Asking someone to consider donating tissue and organs (but not demanding it by law) is completely congruent with asking someone to consider carrying their fetus to term (but not forcing them to do so by law).
The issue of abortion is one that divides many liberty-minded people. Indeed, icons of the libertarian movement seem to fall as far on opposite sides of this issue as one could imagine. For example, Ron Paul writes in his recent book, Liberty Defined, about his personal experience witnessing an abortion as an OB/GYN resident in the 1960s. He writes:
I witnessed… the abortion of a fetus that weighed approximately two pounds. It was placed in a bucket, crying and struggling to breathe, and the medical personnel pretended not to notice. Soon the crying stopped…
That same day… an early delivery occurred and the infant born was only slightly larger than the one that was just aborted. But in this room everybody did everything conceivable to save this child’s life. My conclusion that day was that we were overstepping the bounds of morality by picking and choosing who should live and who should die…
Meanwhile, other libertarian icons like Murry Rothbard fall on the opposite end of the abortion debate. On the rights of the fetus, Rothbard has argued in Ethics of Liberty:
But what humans, we may ask, have the right to be coercive parasites within the body of an unwilling human host? Clearly no born humans have such a right, and therefore… the fetus can have no such right either.
But Rothbard misses the point of actions, consequences, and responsibility. I do have a right to be a parasite on a person if that person’s consensual actions resulted in my becoming a parasite. To return to my earlier example, this is the fundamental distinction to be made between abortion and organ donation.
When my neighbor's kidneys fail (independently of any actions I have taken), it is unfortunate, and I may be moved by compassion to donate one of my kidney's to save his life, but that is my choice. My neighbor has no right to sustain his life through impositions on my body. My actions did not contribute to his condition, so I have no legal responsibility for him.
Abortion is a different matter, however, because pregnancy is precipitated by an act of sex. When that act is consensual (not rape or involving those too young to provide meaningful consent), both individuals have consented to the participation in an action that may often lead to serious consequences. When it does lead to consequences, the question becomes: Who is legally obligated to take responsibility for those consequences?
Suppose I were to drink and drive, and as a result, I caused an accident that injured another person. There are costs, financial and otherwise, for this accident, so the question is: Who pays? Me or the victim? The obvious answer, legally and morally, is me: I would be legally responsible for all consequences. It was not my intention to cause a traffic accident, but it was my actions that caused that accident, and therefore it is my legal responsibility to take on all resulting consequences. It would be illegal and immoral to forsake my responsibility because those consequences don't merely disappear; they are left with victim of the accident, who (for the sake of this argument) was completely blameless in his actions but yet is now suffering.
This same principle applies in the case of abortion. When a consensual act between two people leads to an unwanted pregnancy, who pays? The parents or the baby? Abortion in this case is a "passing of the buck," putting the consequences of an action on the innocent who did not consensually participate in the action. We sacrifice one who is not responsible in order to save those who are responsible from the consequences of their consensual action. This is illegal and immoral in the case of drunk driving, why not here?
Of course, this argument does not prohibit abortion in all cases. In the case of rape, for example, the mother has not given consent in the precipitating action and cannot be held legally responsible for the resulting consequences. This is one case where the comparison between organ donation and abortion holds true. Just as cannot be legally required to donate a kidney to a neighbor I have not injured, a mother cannot be legally required to donate her womb to a child she did not consent to conceive. If a mother has not consented to the action that led to pregnancy, then she would have an absolute legal right to terminate that pregnancy. Moral questions may still remain, but the legal system should be clear: a raped mother may choose, out of compassion, to bring the child to term (just as one may choose, out of compassion, to donate an organ), but to impose a legal obligation for her to do so would be a gross violation of her consent, autonomy, and liberty.
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Well done!
I find it strange that Rothbard, being so well versed in the philisophical tenets of natural law, would refer to an unborn person as a "parasite". Obviously, in an act of consensual sex, an individual is consenting for the possibility of reproduction to take place.
In my pro life argument, my two main references are Dr. Paul and Professor Peter Kreeft, who is a professor of philosophy at Boston College and the King's College. I coonsider the abortion debate to be a decision of who is considered a person and who is not.
If you actually think yourself enlightened enough to answer that question, then you are associating yourself with some compromising company. Hitler decided that Jews were not persons, Stalin considered that capitalists were not persons, and in 1853, the U.S Supreme Court decided that slaves were equal to 3/5 of a person. Clearly, the state has no right to decide who is a person and who isn't. Dr. Paul is right in saying that this is overstepping the bounds of natural law and morality. While I as a libertarian favor a different approach in ridding abortion from the United States than legislative moralists do, I consider the pro life cause to very much align itself with the pro liberty cause.
ron paul, Eric Brakey and mattew burns are dumbass, pro-life schziophrenic facists.
consensual sex with a man doesn't mean that you wanted to become pregnant or should be forced by another means to keep an unwanted pregnancy against will, civil and constitutional rights, which all three of them supports; since sex has many functions, these people should wake the F*CK up.
what these ppl refuse to accept is LAW:
no HUMAN has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights. that's why you are not force to donate your kidney....the human fetus is no exception---no lawyer would go against this.
and Eric Brakey, how dare you use those retard , failed-compasions about car accidents and kidney donations, to support reproductive slavery of female american citizens against their will, civil and constitution rights.
F*CK U!
a woman has a will, legal and moral right to do a 50-men gangbang with creampie action, get pregnant with triplets, then abort over and over again, until she has no uterus left...your morality has no POWER over her, you fascist.
the fact is you support abortion in rape, but not for consensual sex means you really don't give a damn about the fetus at all...you are against the F*CKING that lead to the unwanted pregnancy.
and the human fetus is a parasite and science proves it:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110608162301AAmwdDa
go to africa and adopt an aids baby or two, and stop worrying about my F*CKING uterus, a thing you have no legal control over, anyways.
"And science proves it" *links to yahoo which links to freedictionary.com
What school was that you graduated from?
HUMAN FETUS IS A PARASITE:
It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species." answers com/symbiosis: gale
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it" thefreedictionary com/parasite
"placenta...secretes neurokinin b containing phosphocholine molecules..same mechanism used by 'parastic nematodes' to avoid detection by the immune system of their host."
wiki/immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy
wikipedia org/wiki/Trophoblast
that was covered in the link.
You can purport to hold the "rational" position while barely writing in English and screaming and yelling like a child.
instead of using the nazi grammar card cop-out, feel free to prove me wrong.
hehehehehe.
http://library.thinkquest.org/C003763/print.php?page=origin06
Learn the characteristics and apply the logic that your brain presumably produces.
Anonymous,
I understand your strong pro-choice positions, but this should be a place to be civil, not confrontational. We all have differing opinions on moral questions such as these. I think most of us would agree that the federal government should not be involved in such matters, whether its aim is to prohibit abortion (through a constitutional amendment) or mandate it against the legislative autonomy of the states (through Roe v. Wade).
so we, should have the local and state goverment with their bais and bigotry intervien in personal liberty matters, that are already protected under constitutional amendments and clauses?
are you that stupid? i'm pretty sure that public schools in the south would of desegrated themselves without the fed forcing them to do it. hehehehehe.
no, this is MORE than a difference of morality and opinions, this is pro-life schizophrenic fascism supporting reproductive slavery of american female citizens against their will, civil and constitutional rights because of consensual sex....it's clear, that none of you "PEOPLE" care about the fetus at all.
it's all about control of another from not suprisingly, libitards.
legal abortions will never cease, you don't have a legal stand to stand on agaist abortions:
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
With Rothbard, you have to remember that he was arguing for a completely stateless society. It would be a contradiction for him to say that he was anti-state and then argue for a law on abortion.
Also, I think that the LP has a great stance on this in where they say that there are good arguments on both sides and it's just best to let it alone to each individual. Just because you may not want an abortion does not mean someone else might. If you don't want to have an abortion, then don't get one. Why should you get to choose for everybody else?
As much as I like Ron Paul, I don't try to place my all views on everything he says. Just because he does or doesn't support something doesn't mean we should try to use his words like a religious text.
"Just because you may not want an abortion does not mean someone else might. If you don't want to have an abortion, then don't get one. Why should you get to choose for everybody else? "
Wait... You've got to be kidding. You don't seriously think that's how one who is pro-life thinks do you? We don't see laws against elective abortion as regulation of sexual morality, but rather establishing protection for an individual human life from forced termination. To one who is genuinely pro-life, your statement essentially reads as follows:
Just because you may not want to kill someone does not mean someone else might. If you don't want to kill someone, then don't do it. Why should you get to choose for everybody else?
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.
killing people with legal rights and legal protection is illegal, abortion is not.
a fetus is not a legal person.
Anonymous,
Seriously, stop being a troll. You haven't contributed anything intellectual to this debate. Also, pay the $10 to join YAL so we can all see your name, or log in if you already have. It must feel good being able to say anything under the title 'anonymous'. How many times have you checked back on this blog to see if someone else commented so you can go on a tirade? YAL's blog is better than this and deserves a lot more than what you are giving to it.
no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights.
that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception.
i wrote that, feel free to prove me wrong, instead of using cop-outs for your lack of an logical arugment.
and why should i pay $10 to this fascist site, which goes under the ruse of liberty? i will give the money to microsoft.
I'm not sure how well logic enters through the tough skull of a troll, but I'll give it a shot.
One of the key roles of government as defined by the Declaration and Constitution is to protect and defend life. Considering this "parasite" is also a human being, with a beating heart by about 5 weeks and is not being a parasite by its own volition, I would say that the government role of defending life overrides
Anyone who sees this will be ashamed of how crazy this comment log is getting.
Great article. For a time, I was leaning toward the "it's immoral to intervene in other people's sexual lives" camp, but this article was very persuasive. Well done.
--Anwar
Even if you consider the fetus to be a parasite since it is using the mother's body for its own good, don't you think killing it is a bit harsh? How many college kids and even adults act like "parasites" by living off from other people? How many people refuse to leave their spouse's home if their name is not on the lease? What do we do then? We may tell them to leave, but we usually do not resort to KILLING the offender! So, yeah, if you can have the baby removed and placed in an incubator to continue gestation, then go ahead. But killing it is an over-reaction.