As Jacob Hornberger would say: "The Navy doesn't support the Constitution." ;]

The Navy, Army, and Airforce are dieing for freedom!  The freedom to mooch off productive people and kill using there Hegelian will as a guide..lol.

Their***  I meant

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All of these parasitical, murderous state institutions will dissapear if the people withdraw their consent... Around the world.

The battle is made easier when their propaganda is soooo lame. (teehee)

I happen to believe that freedom, not the "call" of the military, is the most powerful force on earth.

As a veteran of the Air Force for ten years I can say that most of the military actually join to defend freedom and consider that their call, not a chance for welfare.  There is a segment of the military and the veterans right now that are waking up to the imperialist demands of this nation and the fact that we have gone so woefully off the mark of what the founding fathers wanted that this country is unrecognizable.  Most of the ones that I've met prefer state's rights to a nationalist attitude.  Further, I've met a good amount of them that have gotten out due to their disagreement with the Bush/Obama administrations.  Many more stay in simply to fight the imperialist demands from the inside and attempt to affect change and share knowledge with other service members.

I mention this because I'm pretty disheartened to be called a mooch of "productive" people and a part of murderous and parasitical institutions.  Perhaps your organisation would be better served by spending time with the veterans and the active duty members and finding that many of them are simply like the rest of the population of this lazy, unproductive populace (something we're all guilty of) in the fact that they don't understand the Constitution because it's never been taught to them.  Most of them actually have a deeper instinct to read it and comprehend it than thost that spend their time getting in deeper debt for chrome on their car or a big screen tv to watch the big game on the weekend.

There is a group that is doing exactly this by the name of the Oath Keepers that I ran across yesterday.  The military, just like the rest of the nation, is beginning to wake up.  They just have to have their awakening while dodging bullets, defending nuclear weapons silos, or being told that they're going to miss their first child's birth and their third Christmas in a row so they can go defend the DMZ in South Korea again.  It's a harsh reality to realise that you're not a patriot but rather a politician's mercenary.

Take a look at their testimonials and remember that your tactic of calling us names is unproductive as well.  It also alienates the ones with the guns.  Is that really such a good idea?  http://oathkeepers.org/oath/category/oathkeeper-testimonials/  (the testimonials are on this link)

Good luck to your organisation.  Waking up the populace of vets and active duty is no easy matter.  Neither is struggling against the college population of Obama drones.

I also disagree with the video's assertion that the military should be a "global force for good".  I don't feel the need to defend that opinion here.  However, I do disagree with some of the comments made on this thread.  

"The Navy, Army, and Airforce are dieing for freedom!  The freedom to mooch off productive people"

This is a pretty awful generalization to make.  You are essentially saying that everyone in the military joined to reap the benefits and rewards afforded by the system.  Maybe you misspoke, but if you do belive that, I am sorry you are so narrow minded. 

"I happen to believe that freedom, not the "call" of the military, is the most powerful force on earth."

A lot of people in the military would love to advance the cause of freedom.  Whether they choose to do it from within the system (and actually affect change) or spew from their college dorm room shouldn't really matter.  Remember, Ron Paul receieved more campaign contributions from the military than any other candidate.

"All of these parasitical, murderous state institutions will dissapear if the people withdraw their consent... Around the world."

Sure, I would love to see the Iraq and Afghanistan wars ended immediately.  I would also like us to come home from all our bases around the world.   But this does not mean I would want the institution (our military) to 'disappear'.  In fact, I think they might serve a very legitimate function on our Mexican border right about now.  There is a difference between changing the institution's policy and ending it all together.

No one is condemning the individuals. That it comes across that way is highly understandable, because those who have served obviously have a lot vested in their service.

But murderous, parasitical, and mooching? Absolutely. What the troops have done in (for example) Iraq is murder plain and simple, unless one believes the state is God and that your costume absolves you of the sin of killing someone who has done nothing to you. It is parasitical and mooching because every dollar and MRE the troops "earn" really comes from productive private society.

The truth hurts, and life is a bitch sometimes. I would humbly recommend that you jump into the liberty forray (bereft of PC cliche' that we all know ain't so deep down) full-force with the rest of yours!

That is, take the Ron Paul (a veteran himself) step and say: "We need to replace the universal soldier with the universal champion of liberty!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1DGkjGOTWA

(and apologies for the weird David Icke fellow-- can't find a copy without him so just focus on RP in the video!)

Blah blah blah anything regarding soldiers just draws up a bunch of pointless arguments.  What's so special about our living soldiers and veterans? Nothing.  Cry about it.

Re: Anarchist- guilty as charged, but the military is Unconstitutional even if one is a minarchist.

Re: Kanti- Mostly deontological but the more minor things go, the more open to utilitarianism  I become. (I'm not a moral absolutist)

    My posting earlier regarding the rude comments toward veterans and active duty service members lacked a name to it.  For this I get called a coward by someone who considers himself clever for mocking this point.  The reason for a lack of name simply had to do with the fact that it was a quick post done before going to work.  My name is John and I live in Indiana.  In the future I'll just adopt the name of anon42 in order to clear the matter.  I didn't have time to worry over details as I was more concerned with making sure that I got my point across.  If you've mistaken this for cowardice you have misread me.

     Otherwise the idea that vets and service members deserve special attention is quite beyond my interest as well.  I do not believe that we deserve special attention at all, other than perhaps a thanks to WWII vet on occasion or for the government to honour their contract with us when we get out.  But than again, we all know how well they honour contracts now don't we? 

Matt, you state that no one is condeming individuals but by all intents that is exactly what you go on to do for the rest of your post.  Every dollar that is "earned" is done at the expense of losing your family contacts, oftentimes getting divorces and losing their children in custody battle, coming home with emotional scars from finding out that "the truth hurts" and "life is a bitch" while dodging bullets, watching their buddies be burned alive, or having their guts blown open, not from having to eat ramen and take two jobs while driving a used car to class (which many of us did before enlisting anyway).  I don't mean that what they are losing is for an honourable reason because as I've stated earlier, most of us eventually waken to the fact that we were not patriots but rather mercenaries and that these palpaple sacrifices were done for no legitimate reason.  What I mean is that the military finds the truth in a much more violent manner than the rest of the population.  All they ask when they return is that the contract is honoured, NOT a parade, NOT you giving us your girlfriend, or any other ridiculous myths people make up.  The ones that do act like that are self centered idiots.  But I suppose that the productive population that is helping to support our economy that is based on spending (how productive are they really being if the only way they contribute is to borrow money for a new car?) don't have any self centered idiots, especially not in middle or upper management?

Otherwise it appears that most of the responses here are ad hominem and, were it not for the website being what it is, I would very quickly assume that I stumbled onto the Huffington Post instead of a place that purports to stand up for limited government and a Constitutional interpretation of how things should be run.  I'd hoped that, by extension, this would also mean civil discourse rather than what I've seen.

Hey anon- I read your entire post and appreciate the fact that it was heartful. I don't know who called you a coward, but it wasn't me or any of the other bloggers.

I have to reiterate, by stating what the troops are doing as we see it we don't mean to condemn them personally, but it is understandable that it is interpreted that way. (women who have had abortions feel similarily attacked when people condemn abortion)

I've had an interesting few discussions with people about military service and the fact that taxpayer money is used to support it. Some anti-war activists claim that the soldiers themselves are culpable, which might be true if they understand that killing without the true purpose of defense is wrong. However, most soldiers believe that they are defending this country, and by that I don't mean protecting the White House lawn and all the ivory towers; soldiers do what they do to protect their families, and yours. Maybe you didn't ask them to do that, and if that's the case, fair enough, I can't argue against that, nor would I want to. Understand that joining the military isn't getting a free ride on the backs of taxpayers. Soldiers work long hours, especially when deployed, and the green (as in newbie) ones make less than minimum wage for their efforts, misguided actions though they may be. It's a far cry from getting an EPA job studying the effects of interrupted snail migration.

To all those out there who admonish soldiers for supporting this leviathan called the U.S. Gov't, I want to make two quick points to you. First of all, soldiers would not get paid without your tax dollars. Sure, you HAVE to pay them right? Otherwise you would go to jail. As a soldier, if you refuse to follow orders, guess what happens to you... you go to jail. Worse than that, you draw the ire of the government, and they do their best to make your life as difficult as possible. You're ineligible for a lot of things, such as purchasing firearms, possibly your right to vote, and it's much more difficult to get decent employment, even at private companies.

Also, you're ineligible for my SECOND point: government educational benefits. If any of you out there have accepted any FAFSA money or government backed student loans, you are just as culpable as any soldier. Perhaps you justify it by claiming you're just getting some of your future taxes back... but the money you receive has been stolen from other people, and your willful choice to accept it is akin to knowingly accepting stolem property. If you received a scholarship from a school that takes any government funds, understand that the scholarship can only be offered with the help of government.

With the massive multi-tentacled monster that runs this country it's hard to find something that government hasn't touched. Buying corn chips for that party tonight? Government subsidized. Buying a car made by GM? Government Motors. Traveling on Amtrak, or airlines, or an interstate? You're using goods paid for with stolen money. We are all culpable.

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